"You know how men are. They think 'No' means 'Yes' and 'Get lost' means 'Take me, I'm yours.'" - Megara from Disney's Hercules
Here’s the situation: Guys asks girl for number. Girl says no. Guy insists. Girl says yes. Guy asks girl on date. Girl says no. Guy insists. Girl says yes. Guy wants things to go further. Girl says no. Guy insists… you get the picture? In researching why guys think no means yes, almost everything I found involved rape and consent. But how can a guy believe no means no about sex when he can’t even believe it when asking for a number?
Terra Culp-Ressler with ThinkProgress found that “according to a new national survey of Australians, about one in six people believe that “women often say ‘no’ when they mean ‘yes’.” I remember having that conversation with a guy friend about a year ago. He’s a good guy. Respectful, nice, and so on… but he thought he had girls figured out (funny, huh?). Somehow we got on to the topic of what no means, to which he responded that no usually means no, but he can tell when it means yes. And this is the male mentality – that because they believe women sometimes mean yes when they say no, then obviously every no is a potential yes.
To a guy, No means: a challenge; I should try harder; maybe; yes; definitely; she wants me bad; be more persistent; she could be playing a game; maybe her friends will judge her if she says yes; maybe she doesn't want to seem too available; maybe she just wants to make me work for it; she definitely wants me.
The word “no” is so much more important to women than men, because we’re the ones who have our limits and boundaries crossed when that word is taken lightly. Research has shown that up to 85% of college women have been in situations of physical intimacy where things escalated after she said stop. And there are far too many more scenarios when this word is ignored or misunderstood. It can lead from anything to hurt feelings for both people, or trauma that the girl will try to spend the rest of her life recovering from.
I know men get defensive about these kinds of things and say that not all men are bad. I think many good men can misunderstand or ignore this word. It doesn't make you a bad guy, but it can lead to very bad consequences depending on the situation.
Culp-Ressler says that researchers believe deeply ingrained social norms are the cause for all the confusion about the word “no.” Researchers say men are socialized to be sexually aggressive, which leads to them believing they are entitled to a woman’s body. Yet women are taught to “display a resistance to sex,” growing up “approaching sex as something that simply happens to them, rather than something they’re an active participant in, and therefore [they] aren’t always comfortable explicitly vocalizing their needs.”
UC Davis communication professor Michael Motley examines this issue from a different perspective. He believes, “The problem is that he is interpreting what she said by trying to imagine what he would mean.” Motley found that “most women use indirect messages out of concern that men will be offended or angered by direct messages, but that most men actually accept direct resistance messages easily and without negative reactions.” I know a lot of girls, including myself, who face this problem. Sometimes we don’t directly say no because we’re afraid of hurting the guy’s feelings, or something like that. We don’t want to be brutal snobs without care for the other person. So, we walk around the word no without directly saying it, which can cause a lot of confusion for guys. But, I guess we shouldn’t be so concerned, because guys understand direct messages easier. There’s less confusion for both parties if the woman just says no. Or at least, there should be.
Motley conducted a questionnaire for men and women to discover what women actually meant when they said something such as no or stop, what men thought the women meant, and what men would mean if they said the same thing. The questionnaire was multiple-choice and asked about 16 common “female resistance messages” ranging from “very direct – ‘Let's stop this’ – to very indirect – ‘I'm seeing someone else.’” The results – “The questionnaire study showed that men were accurate at interpreting direct resistance messages like ‘Let's stop this.’” But for indirect messages, they were as likely to interpret something like “Let’s be friends” to mean “keep going” as to mean “stop.”
According to Motley’s study, men do understand the word “no,” or any other direct message. It’s indirect messages that baffle them, because they think about what they would mean instead of what the woman means. It’s forgivable that a guy gets confused with indirect messages, and even with nonverbal communication. For example, when a girl says or indicates “maybe,” she could mean yes or no. There’s a lot up for interpretation. But they understand no. So then… do they just ignore it?
Let’s get back to the idea that men think no sometimes means yes or maybe. Do women ever mean yes or maybe when they explicitly, straight out say no? In a 1988 paper by Muehlenhard & Hollabaugh that asked the question, “how often do women say “no” to sex when they actually mean “maybe” or “yes“?” 610 undergraduates were asked various versions of this question: “40% reported at least one instance of saying “no” but meaning “yes” in their life, with the majority of them indicating that they had engaged in this behavior multiple times… 85% of women reported saying “no” and meaning it at least once, and about 70% saying “no” and meaning “maybe” at least once.” In conclusion, women do sometimes mean yes when they say no.
Thus, because no can sometimes be yes or maybe, men like to ignore when it can actually mean no… which is actually most of the time! But it doesn’t matter what it means. If a woman says no, whether it’s to sex, a phone number, a date, etc, just always believe and accept that it means no. If she actually meant yes, then that’s her fault and her loss. She should’ve just said yes. Women need to be assertive in what they want, and men need to realize that No means: never gonna happen, stop, no way, not at all, end your advances, don’t go further, stop trying, no more attempts please, I’m so annoyed with you, oh my gosh can you please stop insisting, try anything and I will stab you.
And as an additional side note, I understand that men like the chase and women like to be pursued – it makes everything interesting and more fun. But if you have to convince a girl to go out with you, have sex with you, etc, when she really doesn’t want to, then you’re both setting yourselves up for failure. Honestly, if a girl flat out says no repeatedly, and you convince her to change her mind, most likely she’s needy, lonely, likes the attention, or feels bad for you. This has been the experience for me, and many of my girl friends who have eventually said yes to a guy after so many nos. Sometimes it works out, but most of the time it ends badly, because she doesn’t want you. Why waste your time with someone who doesn’t want you back? Why not go out and find a girl who will actually say yes, because you know, we can do that.
p.s. The video in this article is just great. You should watch it to better understand the difference between what its like to be a girl and to be a guy. The Daily Show: The Fault in our Schools
Its totally an issue of self control too. Guys don't want to hear the word "no" because then that means they have to put the brakes on. They would rather play with the idea that "she could really mean yes" so that they can keep moving forward with what THEY want, what THEY are after.ReplyDelete
It's sad too because there is no consideration for how the girl feels or what the girl wants. You are so right in saying that if the girl wanted to say yes then she would have (or should have) said yes. When a guy disregards when a girl says no, or translates "no" as "yes" or "maybe", it shows that he only cares about what he thinks and he doesn't consider the fact that no might actually mean no. Her words have no weight to a selfish guy with no self-control. And I'm not saying that's every guy, or even that its every guy who doesn't always think no means no (like your friend who says he can tell the difference)...I just think there's too many guys like that in our culture today, and too many girls who become victims of this stupid game. Anyways, great blog and great topic that I think a lot of girls and guys need to talk about and clarify.
Thank you. I really appreciate your thoughts on the topic. I think we've definitely come to an age where a girl doesn't have to be afraid for seeming too upfront or even going after what she wants. Women can definitely say yes, and they do, but you're right about the self-control thing. It's something that isn't exercised enough.Delete
Yeah, and at least on a relational level, shouldn't a guy be pursuing a girl who is going to be honest with him, and shouldn't that girl be honest with him about what she wants? Likewise, girls should be pursuing someone who is going to respect them and their words.Delete
Not being pushy or overbearing or inappropriately persistent might actually be attractive to a girl. I'm not a girl, so I don't know, but I think there are still some girls who find respectful guys attractive, and that's a quality that is lacking so much in our culture.
I completely agree with you, but I also think the issue is more complex than we want it to be. Often times, girls don't even know what they want, and they are attracted to persistent guys, whether it's healthy or not. But the most attractive thing is a respectful persistent guy who has enough dignity to know when to stop.Delete